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By E5infantry
I hope XM is planning on refunding my yearly subscription. Have an email into Eric Logan, not expecting a reply. May head over to corporate offices in DC to see what I need to do. My XM hasn't been off 202. For all I know, it doesn't get any other channels.

By DarkUrthe
So much for satellite radio not being pussies.
By ZeldaC
Satellite radio caved faster and more thoroughly than public radio. Howard Stern must be apoplectic right now.
By Jim Treacher
I don't think Stern is that much of a long-term thinker. He'll gloat that his enemies have been taken down, and then act surprised when it happens to him.
By ZeldaC
I don't really listen to Howard Stern. Last thing I remember was him kissing off public radio and declaring a new era for freedom of expression on satellite radio.
By conehead
So far the only sin in broadcasting seems to be to piss off Big Al Sharpton.
By DarkUrthe
There is only one bigger sin, not paying Rev Al when he comes palm up looking for a donation (I mean payoff) for his grievance mangering.



Nice of XM to cave before it is known if ANY subscribers have dropped because of this crass stunt.
By matt m.
I used to think Breitbart was cool. He gripes about the "legacy media" and its penchant for agenda-driven news coverage, but lately he seems to be turning into an Uncle Tom (can I say that?) so to speak. I miss the days when he was just, in his own words, "Matt Drudge's bitch".
By jd nyc
They would have been better off paying Sharpton in track suits and gold medallions –

the common stock only closed down 2.5% but prevailing warrant issue dropped 13% on that announcement; the actual premium on the underlying shares shrank by more than 20%, evaporating $27.5 million of value to the holders.....

By jd nyc
That`s ON TOP OF exposing revenue stream to refund requests & cancellations by disgruntled subscribers....

Looks like the Board forgot all about Annual Shareholder meeting on the 25th



[E5infantry – that`s in DC, by the way - next Friday, 9am, Westin Embassy Row]

By dustrider
If nothing else, judging by some of the comments on Sniffen's NYRMB and elsewhere, we're about to find out how many subs Opie & Anthony really did bring in for XM, though we may not get the real totals till the Fiscal 2007 Q3 churn rate numbers are released.
By Point5
It was weird. Somehow, when I left for work this morning, the world felt somehow... cleaner. As if an insidious and dark presence had been lifted. And now I read this.



Thanks, army of anonymous grievance mongers! My brittle protective shell is no longer in danger of splitting.
By jd nyc
anytime!
By fumbles mcrape
So is my name no longer funny? Was it ever funny?



In other news I really liked/felt umbrage about how the boom guy started cracking up during the O'Neal interview.
By rentboy
I can't help but feel that jocks like O&A and Stern need an authority figure to play against. It is how they relate to their infantile audiences. Satelite radio did not have the FCC, so they had to invent it. This stuff was played out after George Carlin did his bit about "words you couldn't say on the radio"
By Frank J.
Opie & Anthony deserve to be shot for whatever it is they did.



Actually, this already seems to be out of the news cycle (at least I'm not hearing about it as endlessly as the Imus thing... except for here). Kinda surprised XM or whoever bothered to do anything about it at this point.



People should just stop using filthy words all together and things like this would never happen.
By Jim Treacher
See the links to Gibson and Beck. It's in the news.
By lizard boy
It is not arguable that O&A, Stern, etc., are sophomoric.

I suspect O&A are operating under a contract with a morals clause (as most, if not all performers are). I doubt XM would take action without it.

Such clauses are there for a reason. If an employee brings discredit or embarrassment on the employer, the employer has recourse.

Simply stated, the adults are allowed to punish the kids.

By ubermosher
"Simply stated, the adults are allowed to punish the kids."



And we maintain that there is nothing to punish. Watch "The Aristocrats" on Cinemax or HBO. I guarantee if you found O&A offensive you'll be apoplectic after watching it. Then explain why HBO/Cinemax is not in the wrong. Thanks.

By ubermosher
I just suspended my XM account for 30 days. Hope it doesn't become permanent. I might have to write my congressman that the merger between XM and Sirius shouldn't be approved.
By Jim Treacher
"It is not arguable that O&A, Stern, etc., are sophomoric."



It's also not arguable that they're paid to be, because that's what their audience wants to hear. That's why they paid for XM and/or Sirius.
By matt m.
"...the adults are allowed to punish the kids."



You mean the "adults" are allowed to punish many, many other adults. Jesus man, this is free country. I can get on the internet and watch Japanese shitporn for free, but I can't pay to listen to Opie & Anthony.



On the other hand, maybe you and Al Sharpton are right.
By lizard boy
You missed a couple of paragraphs there, uber. Look at the two in the middle.

If XM thinks, for instance, O&A's antics are going to queer to Sirius merger, that could be grounds. Satellite or airwave is immaterial.



By Lori_Z
I give up. I'm just going to crack open a nice cabernet shiraz and watch Howard Stern, who I don't even like, on pay tv just because I still can. Before some "adult" throws a hissy fit and pees in my sandbox.
By mcaffrey
Hey Frank J - Are you the imao.us guy? Treach - be careful with him, he's one of those satirists. They are always spouting confusing lies!



And don't worry so much about this insane wave of spirit crushing PC censorship. These things move in cycles. The void that is created shall be filled.
By Jim Treacher
These things don't just move on their own, they're pushed. And I'm not just going to sit back and let the wave do whatever it wants.
By DarkUrthe
Jim, spot on in the above and additions to the front.
By lizard boy
C'mon Lori, don't give up. Even Treacher agrees O&A are sophomoric. Its okay to like sophomoric humor. We all do.

But when that humor crosses a line that their employer deems harmful, they have a right to impose discipline. If the hissy fit is mine, please explain.
By Berrka
I have no beef with O&A, but I also have no beef with XM if they have come to a business decision that keeping O&A around will hurt their bottom line. THAT is their responsibility, making money for stockholders. And if they misjudge the situation, if they mistake astroturf special interest bitching for grass roots displeasure from their potential subscriber base the market will punish them.
By Berrka
and whats more, if there really is a market for O&A and that style of humor they or someone like them will come back in short order. Bottom line, just like XM has no obligation to care about the feelings of the permanently aggrieved they have no obligation to care about O&A's free speech rights, all they are obligated to care for is profit maximization.
By Lori_Z
No the hissy fit wasn't yours. I meant in general. I agree with the Glen Beck comment about it not being about standards now, but about special interest groups. I also agree with EVERYTHING Jim has said, except for not waiting for the wave. I think the wave is already here and it really pisses me off, to be frank.
By Lori_Z
A reason I think the wave is here: Tufts school paper can't print FACTS that are offensive. It is now considered harrassment. Actual FACTS. If you aren't pissed off about Imus, O&A, the chinese restaurant joke guys, etc, then I guess the Tufts thing won't tick you off either.



www.thefire.org/index.php/article/8052.html
By Jim Treacher
"But when that humor crosses a line that their employer deems harmful, they have a right to impose discipline."



That's not what happened here. They were suspended for publicly disagreeing with what's happening to them, and for speaking out against the unrealistic standard they're being held to. Read the story again, please.
By lizard boy
I read the story again.

"They were suspended for publicly disagreeing with what's happening to them."

They were suspended for publicly disagreeing with being suspended?

[They were] speaking out against the unrealistic standard they're being held to.

What's a realistic standard.
By Jim Treacher
Read it again, then. Or don't.
By lizard boy
Oops. Missed the word "and" in the first paragraph of the story.

So they weren't "suspended for publicly disagreeing with being suspended." My bad.

Nevertheless, they made light of the situation prompting XM to conclude they weren't serious about the situation.
By Jim Treacher
They didn't make light of the situation. They disagreed with it. Thus giving XM their excuse.
By lizard boy
Its XM's bandwidth. They get to say who says anything on it. If they say O&A don't get to say anything on it for the next 30 days, that's it. They're grounded.

If you don't see lawyers deployed then O&A agreed to it in contract.
By lizard boy
Ok, they disagreed. Immaterial.

Maybe XM might have given them a pass if they hadn't opened their big mouths. They shot themselves.
By Jim Treacher
The remarks XM suspended them for were made on CBS Radio.



"Its XM's bandwidth. They get to say who says anything on it."



And that makes it right? Please stop moving the goalposts.
By jd nyc
But isn`t it a little strange how quickly XM rolled over?

CBS hasn`t even suspended them (..yet?...) but XM came up with some line of BS, almost as if they were looking for an excuse...



It`s not unheard of for a company`s stock price to be driven down in advance of a merger – arb deal would then be revalued based on the change in market capitalization....

By jd nyc
What if company decided to accumulate devalued shares on the open market?... by the time ‘merger` goes through, the greater # of shares could represent greater % of new entity

What starts off as merger could become an acquisition; anyone holding any related securities (as part of compensation package, for example) would coincidently benefit...

Not that anything like that ever happens

By jd nyc
For the record: I have no holdings (long or short) in these or any affiliated securities; above posts based solely on the ramblings of a sleep-deprived cynic & should in no way be construed as analysis, Buy or Sell recommendation nor allegation of any impropriety whatsoever

I just watch way too much TV

By Jim Treacher
I have no idea how any of that merger stuff works, but if it explains why XM would alienate a large, vocal fanbase that directly pays their salaries through subscriptions, then I guess it's possible.
By jd nyc
that's the thing - why alienate subscribers in the short-term unless there's some long term payoff in mind?

there's always a trade-off, whether it be to get Sharpton's paid stooges to stop picketing or whatever else, something has to make it worth the risk

and if you can divert attention by stirring up freedom of speech debates, so much the better!



IN THEORY ONLY, of course!
By Texas Bob
This current brouhaha trend brings up some interesting questions though. Where are the boundaries of transmitted media? Should there even be boundaries? Or should this be an "anything goes" environment? Should EVERYTHING be acceptable, no matter how depraved? And who gets to say when that depravity has crossed the line?
By Jim Treacher
But enough about the XM management!
By Nilbog
Though a great album, I always felt side two of Live at Leeds and Quadraphenia to be superior.
By mcaffrey
Jim, the forces of PC only win battles, they don't win wars. Naughty words in rock songs, too much skin in music videos, drug and gun references in pop culture. Do these things "go away" because some artist gets in trouble? Of course not. Our society can see these witch hunts for what they are, and they only hurt their own cause in the long run.
By DarkUrthe
XM Management was pretty round heeled on this whole issue.



Throwing O&A under the bus for the sake of a merger is wussy and absolutely no way to support your employees or in XM's case revenue generators. Even if they lose subscribers they can "bury" those stats for a few months.
By TheHat
Suspended...Big Deal! They have 30 days off with pay. Disney World here they come! They have been slapped with a paid vacation for shooting off their mouths. Classic case of a crime and a simulated punshiment. Cry me a river!
By dustrider
If you think the 30-day suspension really is a suspension. I have my doubts, but even if it is, XM's just kicked the can down the road a month. You can't sell extreme talk and then expect Opie and Anthony, or their callers, or even their guests, to say nothing about the suspension on June 18, when they're scheduled to come back...
By dustrider
...and by handling things this way, if they do return, the other media outlets will be tuning in and tracking even a hint of a comment (like the "inappropriate" bell on Monday) from the two about their XM punishment.



The lawyers may think this helps the merger, but it removes one of satrad's main selling points (commercial-free music? Wait 'till Mel "fixes" things after the merger is OKe...
By DarkUrthe
30 day suspension feels more like a buy a couple of weeks the fire them move than a paid holiday.
By el polacko
Same as AM. Same as FM. except you have to pay for it. XM
By Jim Treacher
"Our society can see these witch hunts for what they are"



When? Where? I just see everybody piling on.
By mcaffrey
You must not be a big fan of Daily Kos!

www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/5/11/134211/540



But don't worry, there is an audience for this type of programming, and if they can't get it on XM they will get it somewhere else. Maybe losing the satellite shock-jocks will be the thing to move internet radio into the mainstream. The situation will right itself.

By Jim Treacher
"You must not be a big fan of Daily Kos!"



How'd you guess. This is how messed up the situation is, when I'm agreeing with a goddamn Kos Kid.
By Texas Bob
I don't want my son watching porn, and I certainly don't want my daughters emulating most rap video themes by grinding theirs nearly nude asses against the local drug lord's leg. I don't want any of them saying the words that we hear daily on the radio. You may like all of this, but I don't. You say its freedom of expression (you know, art), I say its trash. You tell me not to let my kids lis...
By Texas Bob
...listen and ask what harm is any of this anyhow? I tell you to look in the mirror and ask is this what you want your kids to become?
By Jim Treacher
What do kids have to do with it? It was said on an adult channel that can be blocked at the user's request. On a pay service that doesn't go out over the public airwaves. Personal responsibility, man.
By Texas Bob
I guess what I'm trying to get at boils down to: I don't give a rat's about these bozos, and the less garbage I need to filter, the better. So, I'm leaning towards laziness with regards to my personal responsibility. So what?

By Jim Treacher
Good to know, I guess!
 
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