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By Borchy
I just can't get over Aab's addendum. It's almost p.s.-worthy.



"Addendum: During my first search, I was unable to find accompanying video or a picture of "Homeless Charlie." Finding out now that "Homeless Charlie" seems to really be a homeless man does not change my opinion of any of the participants' choices. In fact, I'm more troubled than before."
By Jim Treacher
She's troubled alright.
By E5infantry
Your Mom's gonna get a big box of roses this weekend.



A collective Pest Scream could be heard....
By dustrider
The rasoning behind this by some on the right seems to be: Al Sharpton and Media Matters "got" Don Imus. So even though he supported Kerry and has blasted Bush, we need our own "get" as revenge. So when they hear "Condi Rice" and 'rape' in the same paragraph, it's off to the races, since the only way they know O&A is via the "Sex for Sam" debacle (I know they don't know Bill Donahue n...
By dustrider
...now is a regular guest on the show, and are probably waiting for his lacerating comments).
By E5infantry
This is either the longest walkover in the history of O&A, or Houston, we have a problem.

By Jim Treacher
What Dusty said. This is a "get" for "our side." Never mind that O&A aren't on "the other side." Well, Anthony just read an apology, and then they rang the Inappropriate Bell about 50 times for all the stuff they want to say but apparently can't. ON A PAY SERVICE THAT IS NOT ON THE PUBLIC AIRWAVES.



Congrats, Breitbart. Congrats, Drudge. Congrats, Ian. You got your scalps.
By E5infantry
They read the exact some one at 6:01 this morning. Some speculation that this was the exact apology suggested by Hannity last night. I am torn between wanting the boys to throw the innapropriate bell out the window and wanting them to talk about eating breakfast on the air to save their show. Looks like they are going with the latter.



Wonder what Hoo Hoo will have to say.
By E5infantry
Incidently, this is the third or fourth time Drudge has gone after them. He went after them for the homeless shopping spree when he got taken in by that poor homeless guy Fez Marie Whatley who ended up on video with perfume in his eye.
By Johnny Corvette
regardless if the homeless man was real or an actor in a planned or written skit - the question is not why these jokers are in trouble it is why Imus is. doesn't Howard Stern throw hot dogs at targets drawn on girls asses and demean just about everyone daily?
By Curved Space
"The urge to control how other people think..." That's a bit much. Just as these depraved overblown-DJs should be allowed to say what they want, others should be allowed to criticize them. And it's not Left/Right equivalent. Imagine the outrage if Maxine Waters had been the subject of their "satire". They would already be issuing apologies and hoping it was enough.

By ubermosher
I think Drudge is a Hoo hoo fanboy. Seems like he always posted any positive story of Howard he could get his hands on.



I too got the Whackbag call to arms. I was tempted to write XM and inform them that not only would I cancel the service if they fire O&A, I would also lobby my federal representatives against the XM/Sirius merger...
By ubermosher
...But then I realized that I would be no better than the bi-partisan Cult of the Offended (a subset of the Cult of Victimhood) and their "Gotcha" media allies. (I did write to extend my support, however)



Stupid 400 character limit. Punching out.
By ubermosher
" "The urge to control how other people think..." That's a bit much. Just as these depraved overblown-DJs should be allowed to say what they want, others should be allowed to criticize them."



Agreed... but read the post. People are not merely criticizing, they are calling for their removal.
By ubermosher
...Not only that, they are trying to get their way by scaring the XM shareholders with "merger in jeopardy" speculation. Like Sharpton, they are trying to bully others into acquiescence.
By Jim Treacher
"That's a bit much."



It's not nearly enough. That's all this is, trying to control how people express themselves. It's not about tit for tat, dammit. I would like to apologize for saying "dammit." And "tit."
By ubermosher
To recap:



Bill Maher, HOST of a POLITICAL show SERIOUSLY offers that the world would be better with the killing of the Vice President is less outrageous than A GUEST of a COMEDY show on PRIVATE airways making LUNATIC ramblings about the SecState.



That makes sense.
By Curved Space
Imus gone. And Rosey. These cretins go. Not so much thought control as a bit of wart-removal from the culture.
By ubermosher
"These cretins go."



Do you know how may people think Rush, Hannity, or whomever you enjoy are cretins? Don't complain when they are removed as cultural undesirables.



If these personalities lose their gigs because their ratings crashed, then fine. Hooray free-market. We are against a vocal minority dictating what we can or can't listen to based on their sensibilities. Cool?
By Curved Space
Two-and-a-half cheers for the free market. By all means we should put our dollar-votes wherever we wish, but the market should also be cool with a little free anti-advertising.



It's a shame that these mental midgets can make such a high living doing what they do. You can sense that if they hadn't scored so big with their gifts-of-gab they'd be dealing in substances behind some bus station.
By E5infantry
Actually, one would be an air-conditioner guy, one would be a program director in BUffalo, and the other would be a meaty breasted nothing still on the comedy circuit.
By dustrider
CS --



You know that, going by that standard, someone on Red Eye is going to say something anytime now that's going to get the PC police on the case (it will be shocking to find out how many people are up and offended at 2 in the morning) and they'll be demanding Fox ax Greg and his group (and there are a lot of angry HuffPo readers out there who would love to do it).
By E5infantry
"We apologize to the public officials for comments that we made on our XM show on May 9th. We take very seriously the responsibility that comes with our creative freedom and regret any offense that this segment has caused."
By Curved Space
Their actual origins (i.e., air-conditioning guy, etc.) would not preclude any moonlighting behind the Greyhound Terminal. Nor does their current gig, actually.



And if that's their official apology then it's a backhand.

By DarkUrthe
Is anyone even surprised?



Our political process is the tail waggin the dog by zealots on either end of the spectrum... and well, zealots basically use the same tactics regardless of the side they are on.



It makes moderates like me pissy that is for sure.
By Jim Treacher
CS doesn't like them, so whatever is done to them is okay. I sure hope it never happens to somebody CS actually likes.
By ubermosher
"Their actual origins (i.e., air-conditioning guy, etc.) would not preclude any moonlighting behind the Greyhound Terminal. Nor does their current gig, actually."

I guess that means that since I'm a fan of the show I'm the type who is a buyer behind the Greyhound terminal. Better call my church, my corporate employer, and the charity group I work with that they have an undesirable in their m...
By ubermosher
...midst
By E5infantry
I'm just glad I was able to hide my addiction through the 12 years and 3 conflicts in which I served in the Infantry. When Anthony flew into Kabul airport to dish to me behind the shishkabob tent, best thing that ever happened to me.

By Frank J.
Treacher, I'm a little confused what you're worked up about. Is it that people are calling for O&A to be fired or that they're expressing any outrage at all of rape being used as a joke?
By Jim Treacher
Sorry, I'm done repeating myself. It's all there.
By Jim Treacher
Sorry, don't mean to be snippy. This just seems like really fundamental stuff to me. It's not just about a couple of dopes on the radio. It's about America.
By *prrrrrrp*
What I found most disturbing about all this was that Stacy Parker Aaaaaaaab referred to Condi Rice as a white woman.
By ZeldaC
It really irks me that I am being forced to defend the free speech rights of the likes of Opie and Anthony.
By Jim Treacher
I'm not saying anything about them that I didn't say about Imus, and I don't even like Imus. What I do like is being able to make a joke that might offend somebody, somewhere.
By DarkUrthe
Jim, congress aught to pass an amendment ensuring nobody can ever get their feelings hurt.



What is not a joke is how American has turned into completely wussified country in virtually every way shape and form.



If people find O&A totally unpalatable, people should stop listening to them. In a free market (of which ideas and the freedom to express them tie in) let things take their course.
By ZeldaC
Just in case it wasn't clear, my problem is with those who would have them removed. I'm just irritated they're forcing me to defend people like O&A. I would like to criticize them without violating them.
By matt m.
DarkUrthe-



I don't agree with you that America is a wussy country. In a free society there will always be a group of self-righteous pricks whose agenda involves sheltering everyone else's minds from shit they don't like. People like Al Sharpton, Bill O'Reilly (sorry everyone) and anyone else who initiates at least one boycott a week, have built careers on this kind of thing. But they're...
By matt m.
the minority, and I'd like to thing that America is better than the sum of those aformentioned cocksmokers. We have an all-volunteer military, we work harder and longer than the people of any other Western country, and no nation will ever launch a ground offensive against us because they'd have to fight not just the Army but the (armed) citizenry. So lay off the America-bashing.
By Shannan
O & A... who cares. Are they on the public airwaves with that nasty schtick? Nope. People are paying to hear that crap. That is their choice. People need to untie their knotted panties and realize some free speech is not going to always be agreeable. As far as I am concerned O & A should not have apologized and maybe should have told the whiners to kiss off.
By wankette
I think it was two weeks ago, I realized I'd hit my gag reflex on the whole "I can't believe they said that/Can they say that?" scene. I feel an opinion moratorium coming on.
By Curved Space
If this was happening to someone CS liked, CS would like them a lot less.

CS is all for the First Amendment. CS is also for some minimum standards. These guys are in minus territory in that area.

As for some members of their audience, they can support whom they want, but when they react to criticism they were the target then it says more about them than their heroes.

By Jim Treacher
And you get to decide what those standards are for everybody else, yes, I'm familiar with the mindset.
By E5infantry
Just watched a clip from Foxnews, and naturally it was just riddled with errors. Which is why I don't watch Fox News, not because of any slant, but because they are just horrifically sloppy. Did you know that the apology was issued "just hours after" the comments? Well, yes, if by "just hours" you mean 45 hours later. Did you know it was Opanie?



Is it too much to ask for accuracy any...
By Udolpho
Well I think the Republic will go on but it is part of a culture of YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I CARE. Boo hoo, someone somewhere said something. Now my vagina won't quit bleeding! The O&A segment sounded like just one of a million tasteless shock jock segments in existence. Big deal, who cares. I'd better go get fitted for a bra and panties because apparently this country is only for pussies no...
By Udolpho
w.
By DarkUrthe
Aw Matt M, struck a chord did I? Good.



The primary reason the US has never been invaded is as much an issue of geography as it is an armed citizenry. Two big oceans require a lot of power projection. Which few countries have.





...cont...
By DarkUrthe
The fact is America is wussified because zealots on both sides of the poitical spectrum control the political process far more than their numbers should warrant. We spend more time bickering amongst ourselves and crying moral outrage at any little (or great) thing.



America is the greatest country on Earth, despite itself sometimes.
By DarkUrthe
The fact we are the greatest country in the world, even when things seem kind of low, says a lot about the rest of the world.



By Curved Space
If squawking about these dildoes promoting the rape of one of the most funadmentally decent and intelligent people who's ever been in the government earns membership in some familiar mindset then, hey, CS is there, dudes.
By matt m.
I agree with most of what you said, just not the 'wussified America' part. I'm about sick and fucki*g tired of hearing about how wimpy and soft the current American populace is, from Canadian writers, yakky women, arthritic old farts, woeful commenters, etc. If you want to see true wussification, visit Europe sometime.
By ubermosher
Dildoes CS? I am offended. Guess your self-righteous standards aren't that high after all.

One more time: Think O&A are sophmoric, juvenile, and unfunny? Fine. Care to criticize them for not immediately berating an unplanned GUEST for an ugly remark, great. Enjoy your right.

But when people demand they are silenced and censored through rhetoric and self-righteous bullying, prepare to ...
By ubermosher
...to hear outrage from individuals such as myself. It ain't about your little strawman argument that we're up in arms over people criticizing O&A. We're up in arms that folks think they can set the standards for what we can pay to listen to.
By R.E.O. Speedwagon
We all know that if the guy said he had sex with Hillary, the paragons of free speech on the Left would have demanded they be arrested. But for Condi, they don't give two shits.
By Jim Treacher
O&A weren't promoting the rape of Condi Rice or anybody else. Squawk that one at your dildo, CS.
By Curved Space
Will do, JT. Just popped in some fresh batt-trees so it can now squawk back too. Really now, are we that naive to think that these "artists" aren't basking in all this? And to go all hackley at labels they would likely use themselves is just, well, lol funny.
By matt m.
Yes... Basking in the warm glow of threatened careers and forced public apologies.



What is hackley by the way? Is that a new word?
By Curved Space
We'd bet subscriptions have shot up. And if they were so right, they wouldn't need to apologize. These fake apologies cut it with the half-wits in the legacy media only when the target is a non-favored group/person. Look at Imus's pathetic self-abasement. He'll settle in a year for a figure far lower than his former one-year salary.



hackley = like hackles.

dictionary.reference.com/b...
By Curved Space
hackles
By Curved Space
Jeez. Can't use html.



Check definition 3, here:



dictionary.reference.com/browse/hackles
By Shannan
Wankette - just tired of it two weeks ago?? How about all the rules for acceptable talk at work? How many sensitivity training workshops have drained the corporate coffers so folks won't commit some grave faux pas like say "Holy Cow"... apparently it might offend an Indian. None I know, but... It is a strange world we live in.
By airborne
It doesn't matter where you set a "standard" for free speech; there will always be someone offended somewhere (especially when it's so effective in eliminating what they oppose). O&A might be total morons, but they're the buffer for everyone else out there with something worth saying. We need them!
By matt m.
Curved-



I know what "hackles" means, because it's a word that's in the dictionary, unlike "hackley". Sorry I wasn't able to put 2.3 and 1.7 together.



[instantly regrets engaging this nerd; goes back to having a life]
By Curved Space
Responding to a direct question gets you flamed. Lovely. It's okay, been flamed by the best of 'em, since way back in the mid '80s (Are y'out there, Benito?) Got some nerd cred, oh yeah.



We'll try to write more slower, for the non-nerds in the cloud.
By matt m.
Thanks!!



By Berrka
So wait, I'm confused? What did Opie do again? Is Andy going to have to give him a talking to?



Also I don't see why this is such a big deal, same pity/anger brigade, but the 1st Amendment is not implicated unless the Govt. gets involved. O&A may get fired, but they were fired before and came back, happens to DJs all the time.
By MsUnderestimated
Okay, I have to get this off my chest, and I'm sure I'll get filleted for it. I for one agree with Boortz on this one. It's not a matter of free speech, but more a matter of the lunatic left finding opportunity wherever they can to insert their power/authority over media, free or for pay. If the left gets its way, they could use this incident as a way to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine, and O&A...
By MsUnderestimated
If the left gets its way, they could use this incident as a way to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine, and O&A are just giving them more ammo. O&A will be portrayed in the MSM as "talk show hosts," and the leftists who want to control the media will equate them with Hannity, Limbaugh, etc., and we're on the path to control of the free and pay-for airwaves via the Fairness Doctrine. O&A have to go....
By ubermosher
"It's not a matter of free speech"

Actually it is.

"but more a matter of the lunatic left finding opportunity wherever they can to insert their power/authority over media, free or for pay. If the left gets its way, they could use this incident as a way to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine"

So we must censor lest we let democrats impose censorship? How about we just do the right thing and o...
By ubermosher
How about we just do the right thing and fight like hell against any interest group that seeks to censor anyone that doesn't meet their specific standards? Or that too much to ask anymore?
By MsUnderestimated
Boortz: "Opie and Anthony just gave these control-freak politicians a huge bit of leverage with their crude little skit about raping the Secretary of State and the First Lady...."

By MsUnderestimated
..."Those of us in talk radio, both broadcast and satellite owe it to our country and to our listeners to rise up in outrage against these disgusting shock jocks and demand their immediate dismissal from XM. If XM doesn't want to act then we should consider canceling our subscriptions."
By MsUnderestimated
Actually "Free Speech" only deals with action against you by the government; not from private employers. Just as with Imus, CBS is not the government, but they fired him anyway because of their advertisers. What we need to try to stop IS interference by the government. And if O&A continue with this crap, the libs will just find a way to wiggle this into their Fairness Doctrine appeal.
By Jim Treacher
Yes. The libs. It all goes back to the libs.
By Shannan
It all goes back to the libs?? I have to take a moment to laugh at that. If you imagine the spectrum of beliefs where the center streches out to the right and to the left... the extremes finally connect. Meaning eventually they are one in the same. Same bunch of crazies trying to shut up (or kill off) those they hate. Pathetic losers the whole lot.
By ubermosher
Ms... First, understand that IT WAS NOT A SKIT. It was the spontaneous utterings of a man that lives in a box and is otherwise unaffiliated with the program. You know those little disclaimers shows and editorial programs use? The views expressed by a GUEST of the show do not necessarily reflect those views of the hosts or management... it's not just a clever phrase...
By ubermosher
Second, do you realize that the argument that O&A must be sacrificed in order to prevent the left from becoming an unstoppable juggernaut of righteous censorship is the same kind logic that resulted in people sacrificing virgins to appease angry gods?...

By ubermosher
...But if you believe that sacrifice is the only way we can fight back against the democratic hordes, let's just sacrifice Rush. That's who the Left want anyway. Or Neil Boortz... now wouldn't that be ironic.
By Jim Treacher
"It all goes back to the libs?? I have to take a moment to laugh at that."



That was the idea.
By Shannan
Mission accomplished... and you can take that one to the bank. I have been looking for a reason to say that today. Mission accomplished. Hmmm. Twice. :)
By redeyes
"The urge to control what other people say or think"



Ironically, it is you who also want to control what other people say or think. I mean, you'd like other people not to complain about the coarsening of public discourse. Just keep their mouths shut, the radio dial spinning, and their pocketbooks open. Sorry, it don't work that way, everyone gets to talk.

By Jim Treacher
I don't want to control what anybody thinks. I'm not calling for their jobs because I disagree with them. I'm just disagreeing with them. Now you want to shut ME up. Please think about what you're saying.



"Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
By Jim Treacher
I mean, you really think there's no difference between "I think you're wrong" and "You shouldn't be allowed to say that"?
By Shannan
Treacher: Now you want to shut ME up. Please think about what you're saying.

AND



"Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson



Let me guess... you MEANT to sound paranoid of persecution.



Where is Greg?
By Jim Treacher
So "Shut up" doesn't mean shut up? My bad.
By Shannan
Did he tell you to shut up? I did not see that. I did, however, see somewhere up there your telling someone you did not like (or found their point of view disagreeable) to talk to their dildo or something along that creative bent.



But really, where's Greg??
By Jim Treacher
Sorry, it wasn't "Shut up" but rather "Grow up," in that other thread. I got the schoolyard comebacks mixed up.



I was making a joke about that guy saying "squawking dildoes" or whatever. I'd ask you to scroll up, but it wasn't even worth reading the first time.



Greg has a TV show! It's on FNC late at night, between repeats of that one show and repeats of that other show.
By lizard boy
I think I've got it figured out.

If O&A aren't allowed to pull off their diapers and smear shit all over the walls, then the terrorists will have won.
By Jim Treacher
Try again.
By Shannan
The terrorists love a good shit smear as much as any of us. Who doesn't? Do you see them outlawing sheep copulation? Um no. Shit smearing, if limited to fresh product, is a lot less offensive than sticking it to a member of BoPeep's flock.
By Curved Space
SUS-spended.



Sorry haven't been on since the weekend, busy having a life. All of the angst about these guys is seriously overwrought. The republic will not crumble because these two get spanked like the children they are. Meanwhile in the adult world, our friends in Iran will be handing out suitcase nukes soon enough, drooling over the wide open southern border.
By Jim Treacher
"Sorry haven't been on since the weekend, busy having a life."



Yeah, everybody's been wondering. And if you think this is just about a few radio jocks, you haven't been paying attention.
 
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